American Cars or European Cars?

[Grez~Supra_RZ-S]

so is a Corvette 2 dimensional? As in, can it manage to be at a decent heads-up race and also able to take corners in a SCCA race?

The Z06 is fantastic, and the ZR1 looks set to be phenomenal. Both pull well over 1G on the skidpad, and are a lot more nimble than something like a Viper. Although, the Viper ACR doesnt look half-bad either.

As for drifting, you dont set up a drift car for poor grip, otherwise its difficult to control. A lot of drift cars are set up with more attention to grip than Time Attack cars.

[baumaxx1]

With the Mustang, it probably just comes down to poor setup (for cornering). A well-tuned live rear can even out-perform a bad/average IRS setup.

Yeah... and a well tuned IRS system can out perform a well tuned Live setup. Compare the same class. A hyundai is not going to out corner a mustang.

[Striker94]

With the Mustang, it probably just comes down to poor setup (for cornering). A well-tuned live rear can even out-perform a bad/average IRS setup.

Yeah... and a well tuned IRS system can out perform a well tuned Live setup. Compare the same class. A hyundai is not going to out corner a mustang.

yes, baumaxx has a very good point there. You can't compare a normal, cheapo axle to a full-sport racing live axle..

You need to think like this-Mustang, around300hp. Corvette-more power, but similar price.

THEN, compare the result...

[boganbusman]

The only thing that got me in the earlier posts about the mustang is about how they arent setup for taking turns. I watch speedvision during the racing off-season a awefull lot, and the SCCA runoffs just happen to be on and the class that was racing, were Mustangs. The new mustangs, older 00 mustangs and the 5.0 mustangs. Not to mention firebirds and etc. This class wasnt a racing class but a showroom stock class which means the cars cant have any mods unless it's a decent age. But even then you can only have a aftermarket exhaust on.

What other cars compete in that series?

Yeah... and a well tuned IRS system can out perform a well tuned Live setup. Compare the same class. A hyundai is not going to out corner a mustang.

I am comparing the same "class". Do you realise how much more expensive a good IRS setup is?

yes, baumaxx has a very good point there. You can't compare a normal, cheapo axle to a full-sport racing live axle..
You need to think like this-Mustang, around300hp. Corvette-more power, but similar price.
THEN, compare the result...

Corvettes are not similarly priced to Mustangs, they are much more expensive.
And why can't I compare a competition live-axle to a regular IRS? It probably still costs less.

[donaldgladden]

All muscle cars from the late 80's era to present day compete in the class. But since mustangs and firebirds are pretty cheap from the get go, those cars dominate the class in numbers. but once in a while a handful of camaros come along.

EDIT: found the race results http://www.scca.com/eventresults.aspx?event=5643&hub=1

its the very first catagory labeled "AS". You have to click Race Results but you already know that

[boganbusman]

Well, it's not suprising to see the Mustang winning when you look at all the other cars. You gave me the impression that it was hitting above its weight or something

[donaldgladden]

Oh trust me it was all the driver's skills in that race. The track was wet in the beginning stages but it started to dry up extremely fast, so all the other cars pitted and changes to slicks while the lead mustang that won the race stayed on wets. The last 5 laps was the best performance by american cars ever. I'll see if i can find footage.

[Striker94]

hmmm, interesting, staying on wets when others were on slicks... must have been a gutsey driver...

to boganbusman-sorry, facts wrong...

Also, how does a Corvette Z06 get about $50,000-$100,000 cheaper than a comparitive porsche/BMW/Mercedes???

[xHaZxMaTx]

Quality.

[boganbusman]

And technology.

[Grez~Supra_RZ-S]

And strength (or rather lack of) the US dollar. When the Z06 hits the UK, it wont cost $60k, itll cost £60k, which is more like $120k.

[TheStig]

Exactly, US cars are always cheaper in the US, compared to Euro (sports)cars, and in Europe it's the other way around.

[Striker94]

Exactly, US cars are always cheaper in the US, compared to Euro (sports)cars, and in Europe it's the other way around.

So are u saying that Euro cars r cheaper OUTSIDE of Europe?

I don't really think that this is because of the Euro (currency), but rather because of exportation fees, and that Americas market is rather domestic...

[boganbusman]

Exactly, US cars are always cheaper in the US, compared to Euro (sports)cars, and in Europe it's the other way around.

So are u saying that Euro cars r cheaper OUTSIDE of Europe?

Can you actually read? He didn't say anything like that.

[Striker94]

then......

it either means that Euro cars r cheaper or American cars r cheaper in Europe, which one?

[TheStig]

Just think really hard and maybe you will figure it out all by yourself.

[Bandit1]

I like American cars but if i had enough money i'd get some of both!

[steelsnake00]

Yay, five month thread ressurrections

[bmwm3gtrnfsmw]

euro cars are cool!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
they really rock.

[Nitrocide]

European EASILY. American cars suck, They have terrible handling and cannot corner. Also pretty much all american cars are really ugly. Europan cars are brilliant, They're reliable, they have great handling and they look fantastic.

[GiftigSchlange]

European mainly for the fact that they do not handle well.

[boganbusman]

Europan cars are brilliant, They're reliable

European mainly for the fact that they do not handle well.

I can't decide which one to laugh at more

[baumaxx1]

I think the last one was a lazy CBF typing error.

[Koenigsegg_Rox]

I'm actually neutral on this war now, because for once the Americans are doing something right with their sports cars. Dodge, however, have no hope...

[Striker94]

Yep, with the advent of the ZR1, Viper SRT-10 ACR and the Ford GT, I have no idea whatsoever...

On dodge, did you know that they were planning to sell the Dodge Viper nameplate/design to Saleen?