The New/Prototype/Concept Car Topic

boganbusman · Post by **boganbusman** » 14 Mar 2006, 03:43

Well it's not really a bad mistake, just technically incorrect. Most readers aren't going to care.

The Gravedigger · Post by **The Gravedigger** » 14 Mar 2006, 07:04

Not exactly.... handling is dependant upon better grip
Therefore a Clio Cup can out-grip a WRX, 350Z, RX8 or HSV

steelsnake00 · Post by **steelsnake00** » 14 Mar 2006, 10:25

bashderq wrote:If thats always true, a Subaru WRX STi would not have been out-gripped by a Clio Cup
.

The Scooby got out-gripped because its Japanese, and the japs haven't yet reaslied torque is as important, if not moreso, than horsepower.

boganbusman · Post by **boganbusman** » 14 Mar 2006, 11:02

The Gravedigger wrote:Not exactly.... handling is dependant upon better grip

It doesn't really work like that. A Hyundai Excel with fat tyres would have lots of grip, but it would still handle like crap.

From what I can work out, the Clio handles well when cornering hard at a constant speed, because it has good suspension etc. However when the time comes to put the power down and exit the corner, the other cars you mentioned would kick the Clio's bumbum.

Drewb99 · Post by **Drewb99** » 15 Mar 2006, 05:41

boganbusman wrote:
bashderq wrote:
xHaZxMaTx wrote:Maybe, but with AWD you are less likely to crash in the first place. -->
Not always true. Grip is mainly determined by how well the chassis has been tuned. First get the weight distribution and chassis geometry right, and then the tyre, springs and dampers settings correct. Only after all this does AWD come into the equation to optimise the handling.
Erm, no. AWD is much more effective than that. As the saying goes, four wheel drive equals four wheel grip.

AWD increases the contact patch with the road and helps oversteer at corner exit, at the expense of understeer at entry. With even torque going to both front wheels and the wheels turning at the same speed, it doesn't turn in as well as a free-wheeling RWD. The only way around it is to have about a 90/10 rear/front torque split, which means it almost may as well not be there (F1 cars are RWD and just use really fat tires for this reason).

boganbusman · Post by **boganbusman** » 16 Mar 2006, 06:07

Drewb99 wrote:AWD increases the contact patch with the road and helps oversteer at corner exit, at the expense of understeer at entry. With even torque going to both front wheels and the wheels turning at the same speed, it doesn't turn in as well as a free-wheeling RWD. The only way around it is to have about a 90/10 rear/front torque split, which means it almost may as well not be there (F1 cars are RWD and just use really fat tires for this reason).

Drewb99, I think you're an alright guy, and usually you seem pretty sensible.

But what your just posted makes no sense whatsoever. I'm not even going to try to explain why all that is wrong.

Edit: BTW, I think this discussion should be moved into TECH TALK, if you wish to continue . . .

SP4RCO · Post by **SP4RCO** » 09 Apr 2006, 22:16

Ehm.......... wasn't this stickied?

Anywoots:
a brand new car is coming
I like it very much
yes It's a Nissan
yes, it's a Z
NISSAN 450Z!

EDIT: Oversized hotlinked image removed. Use thumbnails please.

P.S. I lied at least 2 times up there

Dragster · Post by **Dragster** » 09 Apr 2006, 22:35

wow that looks like a mix of a 350Z and a Bentley!

Hecubus · Post by **Hecubus** » 10 Apr 2006, 01:39

Interesting, but no, just doesn't work.

SP4RCO · Post by **SP4RCO** » 29 Apr 2006, 16:08

Hyundai HCD8 (goodbye Tiburon)

Mitsubishi Concept Sportsback

boganbusman · Post by **boganbusman** » 30 Apr 2006, 05:37

You're a bit behind the times Dani . . . I remember seeing those cars ages ago

xHaZxMaTx · Post by **xHaZxMaTx** » 30 Apr 2006, 09:50

I want a Yaris Liftback!

2007 Toyota Yaris

master m · Post by **master m** » 30 Apr 2006, 11:42

@SP4RCO: Those 2 concepts are more then a year old

xHaZxMaTx wrote:I want a Yaris Liftback!

2007 Toyota Yaris

That front looks great

Hecubus · Post by **Hecubus** » 30 Apr 2006, 14:22

I sat in one at the local dealership. It's roomy and all, but I can't say I was blown away, it feels a little spartan, it reminds you it's an economy car.

SP4RCO · Post by **SP4RCO** » 30 Apr 2006, 20:20

Sorry about it

New photos of the Chevrolet Camaro Concept (the cool one):

http://spanish.autoblog.com/2006/04/28/ ... o-concept/

S2000_Skyline12 · Post by **S2000_Skyline12** » 30 Apr 2006, 22:28

i like the hyundai! looks nice

xHaZxMaTx · Post by **xHaZxMaTx** » 30 Apr 2006, 23:23

SP4RCO wrote:Sorry about it

New photos of the Chevrolet Camaro Concept (the cool one):

http://spanish.autoblog.com/2006/04/28/ ... o-concept/

No, that's the ugly one.

They should have used this design.

Post by **TheStig** » 01 May 2006, 00:53

IMO the Camaro looks like a prototype for the current gen Mustang...

this pick makes me puke...way to patriotic!

xHaZxMaTx · Post by **xHaZxMaTx** » 01 May 2006, 01:37

I hate over-exaggerated patriotism.

The Gravedigger · Post by **The Gravedigger** » 01 May 2006, 06:02

Considering the fact that Americans didn't even design the car....

The Camaro was designed by a couple of Holden's boys, which is why there's a (lame) speculation that this will be what the next Monaro will look like..... if it does I'll shot myself, or other death methods

Actually..... I'll casterate the Holden bunch that decided to sell this off as the Monaro

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PSZeTa · Post by **PSZeTa** » 01 May 2006, 22:57

Good job in trying to link off your harddrive.

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