All out war: England Vs America - Who makes the better cars?

Grez~Supra_RZ-S · Post by **Grez~Supra_RZ-S** » 21 Jan 2004, 16:28

Right, it was only a matter of time before this one was up. Ive found myself arguing with a lot of ignorant americans recently about so called 'muscle' cars. Ive always been led to believe that, stock against stock, you cant beat a 'good old' muscle car. well, this is wrong. ive been loking at stats recently for a 1970 Dodge challenger R/T. 0-60 5.5 seconds, 1/4 mile: 13.9 seconds, produces 425bhp and maxes out at 146mph. Now while ill admit this is fast for the time it was produced, its not fast enough to beat a stock supra turbo for example, despite what these people will argue. 1996 Mk4 Supra tt: 0-60 5seconds, 1/4 mile: 13.6 seconds, produces 326bhp.

And as for design, well, american cars have never been pretty, lets face it. the two pinnacles of american design have both infact been british. Firstly, the cobra. originally called the AC ace, later a bristol engine was put in to make it faster. caroll shelby (at the time just finished racing for ferrari) saw the ace, and decided to buy the patent, following this by putting a ford V8 lump under the bonnet. Secondly, the Ford GT40. At the time, ferrari were in a lot of financial trouble, and plans were going ahead for henry ford to buy the company, but the deal fell through. Henry ford was angry, and ordered his engineers to create something that would destroy ferrari at the le mans track. while ford created the engine, it was actually british engineers who designed and created the chassis and body shell. Even nowadays, America have never produced anything as beautiful as a TVR cerbera.

Anyway, the polls open, sorry for boring the sh*t out of you, but i wante to set a few things straight before voting got under way.

UrQuattro · Post by **UrQuattro** » 21 Jan 2004, 21:57

German !! !! !! ! ! ! ! !! ! ! ! ! !! !

Add that option....

but anyhow, since it was your idea to put only US vs Brit, I choose brits, the E-Type, the Aston Martins, Lotus Elise/Esprit, TVR, Morgan Aero 8 (you heard me, i like the bozz eyed monster), and the Caterham 7 I can remeber any time of day... Americans - well, I KNOW for a fact that before the oil crisis in the 70's, the old generation US cars weren't bad at all, innovative designs and so on... Stingray Corvette, Hemi Cuda, GT40... But it's all gone now, and we have NEW EDGE Cadillacs... Sorry, the Brits stand out (even though the Germans arey buying them out - easy there now, Grez!!).

Audi is the best.

Grez~Supra_RZ-S · Post by **Grez~Supra_RZ-S** » 21 Jan 2004, 22:35

Post by **viper_gts** » 21 Jan 2004, 23:31

it's hard to define "what's the best car"........what do you go on? personal opinion or facts?

anyway..........i have a very wide variety of cars i like.

but on a side note............these kind of topics are a breeding ground for flame wars so, it will stay open as long it stays civil and sensible.

FLAME WARS (especially muscle vs rice)
WILL NOT BE TOLERATED ON THIS SITE.

sorry for taking such a harsh stance, but i have a very strong view on these topics and have saw alot of sites thrown into all out war because of them.

Grez~Supra_RZ-S · Post by **Grez~Supra_RZ-S** » 22 Jan 2004, 18:23

i see your point, but its more of a debate than a flame war. I agree though if it gets too much to close it

Koffy · Post by **Koffy** » 23 Jan 2004, 18:21

I love Moscle Cars, but I have to choose British, because I have to admit that a XK8 Jaguar Supercharged is really beautifull.

MasterMind · Post by **MasterMind** » 23 Jan 2004, 19:19

It's really like comparing apples and oranges, because most of the cars that come out in the US are SUVs and pick-ups, tailored to the rugged, powerful, American spirit. I'm sure that if the US had as many companies that were concerned with just making sports cars (as Britian and Germany do), this would be a whole different argument. British cars are better because they have companies that just make fast, stylish cars. You don't see an Aston Martin SUV, but Lexus has one.

UrQuattro · Post by **UrQuattro** » 23 Jan 2004, 19:43

well, master mind, you can't be too sure about an Aston Martin SUV these days... I am serious, after Porsche and Mazeratti who the hell knows. Those companies stupidly created a new market niche, and there's always somebody who'll buy a jacked up super porsche ('And this is for you Honey'!)... I am scared of the thought that luxuray sports brand makes will join the trend.

BTW, a cadillac SUV was out of the quiestion 15 years ago. Now you guys are driving them!

Grez~Supra_RZ-S · Post by **Grez~Supra_RZ-S** » 23 Jan 2004, 20:57

oh my god, the porsche cayenne....what have they done????

UrQuattro · Post by **UrQuattro** » 24 Jan 2004, 02:24

yeah, but it's rediculous. It's a truck that's faster than almost anything outhere on the road... That's just scary as hell, i had one (not like therez a lot of 'em around) pass me on a road doing some 160km/h or more - during snow and bad visibility. Crap.

Grez~Supra_RZ-S · Post by **Grez~Supra_RZ-S** » 24 Jan 2004, 03:54

looks like a tall 911, but stretched so all beauty is gone lol

Post by **TheStig** » 30 Jan 2004, 03:00

I think it not even a contest....

what did the us make the decade? .......... NON

talking about stylefull sportscars not SUVs

btw LEXUS isn't American..... it's Japanese it's a part of the Toyota corporation..... sorry

the brits just make the most stylefull sporstcars, just look at the Vanquish.....

Grez~Supra_RZ-S · Post by **Grez~Supra_RZ-S** » 30 Jan 2004, 17:46

I like this guy^^

lol (not in a gay way before any sarcastic people put something like that)

Post by **TheStig** » 07 Feb 2004, 13:17

I wonder who is the 1 who voted for the American car....

must be a real patriotic guy...

I fyou would vote somethin like that...

UrQuattro · Post by **UrQuattro** » 08 Feb 2004, 01:59

here is a pic I thought I'd share - new Jag... not bad, eh? BTW, it's a BRITISH JAGUAR MADE BY AMERICAN FORD & Rocketsports Racing

Grez~Supra_RZ-S · Post by **Grez~Supra_RZ-S** » 08 Feb 2004, 19:27

pretty cool, oh and btw, love the new sig paco

UrQuattro · Post by **UrQuattro** » 09 Feb 2004, 00:19

Thanks! I just noticed I put the GOLF with the wrong fat bodykit!!! I'm an idiot, will have to rework that!

And yeah, the jag is sweet, even though there's too much carbon and it's a convertable (the worst part IMO).

Post by **TheStig** » 09 Feb 2004, 03:24

that's a real nice Jag...

but the CF is just TO much!

IMO

Post by **TheStig** » 13 Feb 2004, 17:18

just look at that 2 peeps voted for the US... LOL...

happy not everybody thinks the same... makes the world boring... LOL

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